## A Conversation for Gravity

### Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

andysfoam Posted Jul 10, 2009

Since we don`t need to escape the Universe, John Michell`s, Velocity of escape "V(e)", m/s, is almost the right equation, except for the square root of 2. So use the orbital velocity V(o) = [GM/r]^0.5, m/s. If GM is taken as constant and r is given by c*t(u) then V(o) = c,m/s. Why is gravity a force rather than a distortion? Maybe because Space-time is being supported by a much faster moving space-time medium?

### Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

andysfoam Posted Jul 27, 2009

If the particles of the light carrying media(LCM), is due to spherical standing wave resonances supported by the CG particle media, and the LCM supports particle resonances (electron,neutrino,positron,proton neutron and even quarks),what causes the three types of color charge?

### Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

andysfoam Posted Aug 1, 2009

On page171 of the New Cosmic Onion, "The known neutrinos have masses, but it would probably take over 10^5 of them to add up to a whole electron". Why are Neutrino masses so low compared to the electron? Figure 8.1 on page 108 of the above book, has a diagram to show that a down quark changes into an up quark by emitting a W- boson that carries charge across the short gap to a close passing Neutrino, which then on receipt of the boson`s charge is somehow converted into an electron. Given that any Neutrino has no color or electric charges how did the W- Boson find the Neutrino, which has so little mass? Did the Neutrino go into a gravitational orbit of the W- Boson for as long as the W- Boson existed? Where Did the W- Boson acquire its large mass, and since an electron is a light mass particle, where did the remainder of the mass end up?

### Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

EnergeticRobb978 Posted Aug 6, 2010

Well, you are right. Gravity is crfeated by distortion of 4 dimensional space-time. But that in itself is not gravity. Gravity is the force we feel generated from the distortion of space and time, so that is a misconception.

Gravity is just the resultant force from celestial objects following warps in space and time.

Rab-1/2Rgab=kTab

That is the relativty equation that proves warping of space and time. It states that the Ricci curvature tensor - 1/2 of the metric tensor is equivalent to the energy momentum tensor multiplied by the gravitational constant given by

k=8(pi)G/c^4

where pi = the greek letter and mathematical number.

So a tensor of curving, combined with a tensor of linearity is equivalent to a momentous tensor and as we know the more space-time is warped the more momentum of increase the resultant force (gravity) is.

Hop I didn't confuse you.

### Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

andysfoam Posted Aug 19, 2010

Thanks EnergeticRobb978, one day I might understand enough maths & physics to know what a Ricci curvature tensor is ? Anyway if a metric is the distance between fundamental particles, what field of particles keep them apart? If the particles that keep the fundamental particles apart vary in size & speed, then the smaller should fit between gaps between the larger, and those that don`t quite pass through may move the larger out of the way providing higher speed pathways? Are tensors emergent properties of a mixture of unknown & as yet unexplained particles & their interactions, evolving our versions of time(this now) & space(in the same now)? Have you seen the Scale Expanding Cosmos theory?

### Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

EnergeticRobb978 Posted Aug 20, 2010

Your welcome.

I will answer your questions one at a time.

1. The metric tensor in the equation, is the tensor used to specify, straight and linear (Euclidean) space. Not a field that seperates particles.

2. The particles you are reffering to do not exist. Perhaps you mean the curvature resistance? Well the curvature resistance varies in size and speed accordding to the masses of the fundamental particles. Yes occaisonally particles are forced to take different paths to suit their speeds.

3. Tensors are a figure that extends the notion of scalars and vectors. In other words they combine 2 dimensional and 3 dimensional readings.

4. As for scale expansion. Perhaps you are reffering to the proportional expansion theory. Well in that case yes as it is mentioned in Einstein's field equations as the cosmological constant.

As for the Ricci tensor, it is the tensor that describes curved space opposite to the metric. Curved space is when the universe is curved and all matter is like a carving in the curve. Or geodesic as it's called. The measure of curved space is also called the Riemann manifold.

Have a pleasant day

### Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

andysfoam Posted Aug 21, 2010

Thanks for the answers,EnergeticRobb978. Tensors being mathematical tools that allow manipulation of Euclidean measurements(vector readings taken from the Earth`s environs), but they say little about whats really going on to cause the measurements? Why is it assumed that light speed is constant, when we haven`t even left our solar system to check it out, it may even turn out to be chaotic, with mass acting as strange attractors for the value of c? What if c were to become granular away from mass, granular euclidean space? Our Moon was supposed to be made of cheese, until NASA got there and disproved the theory!

### Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

EnergeticRobb978 Posted Aug 21, 2010

Your welcome andysfoam.

Here are the rest of your answers.

1. In the laws of quantum mechanics,we create measurement by observing an object so observation controls measurement.

2. The speed of light is not constant, it changes as space changes and often switches a few miles per second.

3. Mass does contribute to c. If there iss a very heavy object in the way of a beam of light then c becomes slower. If mass did not contribute to c then we simply won't exist.

Those are the answers to your questions feel free to ask more if you wish.

### Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

andysfoam Posted Aug 21, 2010

I agree that tensors are established mathematical tools, but Relativity is still only a theory, and one that surely requires more testing from locations other than on Earth, out there in the wider cosmos? If light speed depends on the media it passes through, and is slowed by dust & ionized atoms. Which has the greater effect on light path bending, changing refractive index due to the solar wind, or relativity`s closeness to mass? Is it a case of both have an effect and nobody is sure which contributes the most, so relativity wins by default?

### Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

EnergeticRobb978 Posted Aug 21, 2010

Thank you for your questions.

Relativity has been tested in the wider cosmos. To see how, check out my General Theory of Relativity guide entry in the peer review.

It is of course the change in the refractive index that causes the biggest change. But that change in refractive index can be a cause of relativity's closeness to mass and often is. That is why relativity wins.

Feel free to post more questions.

### Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

andysfoam Posted Aug 22, 2010

Thanks again EnergeticRobb978, is there a web address for your Relativity guide entry & is it free to view? I think the point is, that all mass is energy, and a vacuum no matter how good it is, will still have some residual molecules, atoms, subatomic particles & force carrying particles such as photons, weak,w`s & z,( & maybe a graviton or two if they turn out to exist? )somewhere within? If the vacuum has enough high mass force carriers passing through, relativity wins, but its really because of the passing particles changing the properties of the space?

### Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

EnergeticRobb978 Posted Aug 22, 2010

Your welcome, feel free to ask as much as you like.

The web address for my general relativity entry is http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/brunel/A73254648

Yes you are right about the vaccuum. But there is a hypothetical vaccuum called the external void. The void outside the universe. It is a perfect vaccuum. So if anything entered it will be erased from existence.

In that situation relativity wins as it is the reason for the masses of particles and measurements of energy.

### Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

andysfoam Posted Aug 23, 2010

Had a quick look, there`s no mention of the S.I. units or values being measured? Please note I have no "A" levels in maths or physics, what I have discovered is mostly from web pages like the BBC`s. Playing around with the SI units employed by the Relativistic constant "k", suggests that they are in radians per Newton, is this correct? Tried to Google it but no help! Units used by a constant indicate those used by the variable, is the energy momentum tensor"T" in units of force, Newtons? Is the product of k & T in units of Radians? I have no idea what the subscripts g, a or b are supposed to signify?

### Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

EnergeticRobb978 Posted Aug 23, 2010

The tensor is the entire part of the charachter in the equation as it is written in abstact index notation i.e Rab is one tensor.

So the ricci curvature tensor is not R but is Rab.

The metric is not R but is Rgab.

The energy Momentum tensor is Tab not T

As for k that is the relativistic proportionality constant. K is written in radians per newton. It is so as pi is relating to circular structure and G to the angle, this creates a radian and as they are being measured gravitationally it would be wise to suggest so.

The energy tensor is in units of force as it is a tensor and acts interdimensionally using its vector and scalar properties to exert force as a result of the combination.

The entire product would likely be in radians per newton per newton (not a misprint). It would be a sort of measure of accelaration, it determines the increase in velocity which determines the increase in speed.

Ask me any more questions, I will try my best to answer them for you.

### Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

andysfoam Posted Aug 24, 2010

Please if possible, consider up dating your Relativity entry to include the previous explanation, as it really helps knowing the type of units employed(Radians per Newton per Newton), by the equation . If I understand you correctly, assuming an examined location contains some form of energy, then the Tab tensor is the force due to the observed energy, a sort of acceleration away from a null energy value, in any combination of 4 directions, not away from the observed location, but a rotation of the location( an applied twist )?

### Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

EnergeticRobb978 Posted Aug 24, 2010

I shall do that right away.

Yes your understanding is correct and most logical.

Thank you very much for your feedback. Ask me anything else that you wish to.

### Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

andysfoam Posted Aug 25, 2010

Are electrons like 4 dimensional socks, their small amount of energy only turns them inside out a little way, while neutrino are half way inside out and positrons are almost completely inside out except for their small amount of energy trying to twist them back the right way? Human scale objects do not normally turn inside out even if their subatomic particles are, because of changes to their height above ground. The word Tensor maybe a clue, the socks are elastic , they resist being turned inside out, stretching length & time?

### Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

EnergeticRobb978 Posted Aug 25, 2010

Your model is correct and most logical. I have to compliment you for coming up with an intelligently designed model.

You are correct in terms of the resistant potential energy stretching space and time. That is a description of mass & how it is created.

Once again, amazing model. I couldn't have put it better myself.

### Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

andysfoam Posted Sep 1, 2010

In my sock model, the elastic tension opposed the stretching caused by mass-energy. Hooks law, allows oscillation of the mass-energy about a resonant frequency. My space-time socks may radiate oscillations spherically throughout the space-time washing basket. Spherical standing waves forming between socks with a similar mass-energy? How does a space-time sock get its elasticity anyway, could space & time be composed of interacting particles much like the molecules of a sock?

### Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

andysfoam Posted Sep 2, 2010

The elastic sock representation of 4 dimensional space-time electrons helps to show that stretching & shrinking occurs for space & time, except that time is the rate that socks wear out? Hooke`s Law w=(k/m)^0.5,rads. Informs us that an electron can oscillate at a resonant frequency, an electron socks rate of wear oscillates about an equilibrium, a null rate of aging? Sock age waves from other socks setting up a common equilibrium frequency, they all oscillate together causing a similar rate of wear & tear(holes)?

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