A Conversation for Gravity

Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

Post 121

andysfoam

Since applying acceleration to an electron may cause it to emit photons, is the reverse also possible, energized photons, due to entering a region of gravitational potential, emitting electrons, or positrons, or neutrinos?smiley - erm


Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

Post 122

andysfoam

The "Wikipedia(en)" entry about the fine structure constant alpha, suggests further reading on the subject at "arxiv.org/abs/1008.3907". Had a quick look at its conclusions, they suggests a speculative violation of the Einstein Equivalence principle, due to observed varying of the assumed constant value given to alpha, depending on which part of the sky is being observed? Would more independent observations from different locations be required to conclusively substantiate the alpha variations?smiley - erm Could alpha be spatial, light from objects in different parts of the sky at the same time in the past, generating differing values for alpha?


Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

Post 123

andysfoam

If alpha, the fine structure constant, were conclusively proven to vary at different locations, could it be due to local past conditions, local levels of heat & entropy for instance? Could alpha vary with an electrons surface area to volume ratio, (assuming the electron is not a zero dimensional point in space-time, but maybe instead a 4D wave in space-time)? Assuming its a 4D wave with some kind of surface & volume, would it be more energized by its environs at higher entropy locations, giving the electron a higher surface area to volume ratio?smiley - erm


Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

Post 124

andysfoam

The surface area to volume (SA/V) ratio for a 3-sphere = 4(pie)r^2/(4(pie)r^3)/3 = 3/r, is there a ratio for a 4-sphere? Is the "Bekenstein" bound related to the SA/V ratio? Also the Bekenstein-Hawking Entropy equation S=kA/4, where A is the area of the event horizon?smiley - erm Whats the significance of being divided by 4, could it represent the volume within the event horizon?smiley - winkeye


Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

Post 125

andysfoam

The Bekenstein Hawking Entropy equation S=kA/4, where A is the area of a sphere = 4 pie times the radius squared. Dividing the area A by 4 gives an equivalent area of a disc, pie times the radius squared. Entropy is like the ratio of spent energy to its temperature, joules per degree kelvin? The Entropy encompassed by a singularities event horizon being similar to an open disks?smiley - erm


Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

Post 126

andysfoam

Trouble is, area is a human scale notion smiley - winkeye electrons & photons lack a defined area, being some kind of spherically shaped 4-standing wave( socks within socks )? From a notional middle, the particle may expand into the past, anti-node (sock) after anti-node (sock). If a particle were somehow accelerated to light speed, it would in effect catch up with its own past(previous socks)? Which anti-node(sock) do we inhabit( travel through time, could be a bit like changing your socks )?


Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

Post 127

andysfoam

Are photons being squeezed out of the past as a particle is accelerated( newer socks bumping into the older )?


Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

Post 128

andysfoam

Conversely would photons squeezing into the gap between past & present anti-nodes slow the particle?


Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

Post 129

andysfoam

If incoming photons become trapped by the gap (node) between anti-nodes of a particle and that particle happens to be in orbit around another particle, would the photon momentum alter the combined particle angular momentum?


Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

Post 130

andysfoam

Would the magnitude of angular momentum imparted to the orbiting particle increase, as the photon wave length decreases (smaller sock sizes fit the gap more snugly)? Although shorter wave lengths may make being trapped by the gap less likely? smiley - erm


Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

Post 131

andysfoam

The changing shape of Rain Drops (see: wikipedia;rain) as they fall through the air, remind me of similar images that represent orbitals of electronssmiley - smiley. Could there be a space-time wind blowing around the electrons?


Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

Post 132

andysfoam

The Compton scattering process somehow changes the wave length of the scattered photon, by an amount given by its original wavelength plus the electrons Compton "matter" wavelength times (1-cos theta). If the scattering angle were small then only a small amount of energy would be transfered to the electrons standing waves, the photon could be passing almost straight through the gap between the electrons standing waves? Are photons bouncing off the standing waves or could they undergo some kind of refraction?


Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

Post 133

andysfoam

Photons normally have wave lengths far longer than electrons, so my idea of the electron trapping a photon between its standing waves is probably wrong( unless the photon shrinks due to space-time contraction, as it gets closer to the electron )? Maybe a photon has to shrink to fit the electron its being captured by( like stretchy socks one size fits a range of foot sizes )? Electrons have left and right handed(footed) varieties, but photons are ambidextrous( hands and socks )? Neutrinos come in either left handed or right handed anti neutrino varieties, why is their handedness, limited compared with electrons and photons?


Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

Post 134

andysfoam

Perhaps as a photon approaches an electron it encounters ever younger bubbles of electron time. Electron time bubbles would change shape with the motion of the electron. What happens to the photon may depend on the shape of the bubble? Maybe a cloud of electrons have their time bubbles all mixed up into a foaming lather of past and presentsmiley - erm?


Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

Post 135

andysfoam

Maybe a photon encounters a plenum of many changing time-bubble shapes, as it approaches an atom. If we exist with each time bubble anti-node, what happens to us at each node? Could our clock time, consist of multiples of discreet units of electron bubble time?


Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

Post 136

andysfoam

A point is a sphere thats beyond our ability measure, likewise outer-space. A spherical wave is an outward or inward traveling scaler disturbance, either expanding or contracting with passing time. Passing time being a scaler measurement that may have polarity thats positive, zero or negative (or even imaginary if the axis are relatively rotated, although a sphere is still a sphere no matter how you rotate it). Time from a spherical waves viewpoint maybe due to either contraction or expansion of a set of spatial points, with zero time being before a disturbance is initiated or after a disturbance has dissipated? If time exists before, during and after our wave, then our disturbance cannot be uniquesmiley - smileythe co-existence of other disturbances are now mandatory?


Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

Post 137

andysfoam

New.Scientist, 8jan2011, "THIS WEEK; Quirky new matter via mathematics" (arxiv.org/abs/1012.2698). If a rotating circle sweeps out a spherical surface, maybe Brunnian c-shaped loops link up with other spherical waves forming a chain(like tying your socks togethersmiley - smiley)?


Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

Post 138

andysfoam

Please ignore the previous N.S.magazine reference to arxiv, since it seems to be discussing the merits of various SO(10) GUT`s whatever they maybe. Could there such a thing as space-time Brunnian ring topologysmiley - winkeye?


Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

Post 139

andysfoam

Maybe part of the force of gravity between objects depends on how tight the tangles in space-time becomesmiley - winkeye? Gravity maybe a Tangled Distortion, find a way to untangle it, to fly off at a tangent!


Why is gravity a force rather than just a distortion?

Post 140

andysfoam

Maybe a pair of quantum entangled particles share extruded space-time bubbles, squeezed and braided like hair between other extruded space-time hair like bubblessmiley - smiley? If it were possible to untangle these mats and maybe tease them apart without breakage, would gravity weaken as a result?


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