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I'm sure there is no conspiracy, and that nobody responsible for h2g2 had the slightest idea that it would be sold this year.
I talked to Chris and Sam at the meet last year. They were full of plans for h2g2.
Plus, from what I understand, the budget cuts were decided by the government YOU (nobody in specific) elected. Or not, but it is what you got, and what you'll have to live with.
And it's not only online services which are closed. Did you see this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12283356

So, that's another 650 jobs lost. Go and write your MP, but don't accuse Nick o9r the BBC.

Taff & BMT. Finger pointing and baseless accusations help nobody. If you want to help join h2g2c2. If you don't, then you'll just have to put up with it.

Mr d scout....." If you want to help join h2g2c2."

I CAN'T!!!!!!!

here at work I'm tied to the BBC and thats it!!!!

"Poor Nick's trying his best to explain to us what's going on, and people are giving him nothing but abuse.

Would you rather the BBC had just turned the site off? With no message boards or way of contacting each other, the h2g2 community would've been right up a certain creek."

i am abusing no one, as a licences fee payer, i want to know!!!!!

why spend the extra money on the revamp, they could have just pulled the plug, said sorry the revamp is not going ahead due to bugetry constraints and let us go quietly into the night, like all the other boards,

notice they are not trying to sell off their other message boards, they have far bigger user numbers than us and would be a fantastic target for an advertiser based bussiness, we have been 'selected' eventhough we have low numbers, maybe they should stop refering to the MOT and call it The Market Testing!!

We've been selected because they actually want us to survive. They could have switched us off on Monday. This community isn't one that can easily move onto a message board, not with the Guide and all the writing.

Yep I understand your anger Taff, because you can only get BBC at work.

(I've given up believing anything, it's all a stupid, 'piece of paper'.)

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And I was supposed to know that how, exactly?

Mr. D I've read a few of your posts in various places and you are incredibly off-putting about the new thing. Your tone suggests the new thing will not be in the least bit caring.

I can't imagine how you thing your posting behaviour will encourage some of us to join. But whoopee for your tag.

I'm sorry if that's how I'm coming across, but that's really not my intention. I do care and h2g2c2 cares... but people pointing fingers, making accusations and playing the victim won't bring out the warm and fluffy in me.

I really had no idea that Taff's work intertube only connected to the BBC (I presume there is no intertube at all chez Taff) so being shouted at for suggesting he(?) join h2g2c2 won't make me want to spread sunshine and rainbows either.

Just to bring some clarity into this and to reiterate some of the things I&#39;ve already said.

This is nothing to do with the cuts at World Service and it isn&#39;t really anything to do with the Licence Fee settlement. It&#39;s a part of the 25% cut in budget for BBC Online and the new structure for BBC Online. The 25% cut was agreed by the BBC Trust well before the Licence Fee settlement. The details of the new structure were only finally decided on towards the end of last year and well after the work for the refresh is started.

So if people are saying "they had decided to sell it ages ago and only did the redesign to make it more attractive to a new purchaser", then that is emphatically not the case.

Thanks

Come on folks whatever happens finger pointing aint going to get anyone anywhere.

Chill Pills all round.

And if people have energy to burn, and frustrations to be steamed off why not do this constructivly by engaging with h2g2c2 or some other plan?

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'So if people are saying "they had decided to sell it ages ago and only did the redesign to make it more attractive to a new purchaser", then that is emphatically not the case. '

i think i will wait and see on that

theres allways the freedom of information act, and everything allways comes out in the wash

Is it really worth all that hassle, Taff? What would we acheive by 'proving' that the BBC wanted to sell h2g2 all along?

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we would prove we were deceived and that licence fee payers money was used to bolster a lie, politicians bite the bullet and resign over this sort of thing all the time, the BBC are accountable to us ultimatly, the licence fee payers, how about treating us like addults and telling the truth, instead of spinning like an out of control Blair/Cambell combo???

But how do you know, at this stage, that there have been any lies on the BBC's part about this? You're making a lot of assumptions here, with absolutely nothing to back them up.

Also, I strongly advise caution before making any further posts about this. If what you are alleging is not true you could at best have your posts removed for breaching the House Rule on defamation and at worst be accused of libel.

Deeeeeeep breaths, everyone.

Of course, it's terrible for us that the BBC doesn't want to support h2g2 anymore, for whatever reasons.

But in the grander scale of things, losing the World Service (especially in Albania and China) is a lot more important, because for many people, they'll be one of the only reliable news sources available, rather than government propaganda...

That's very true, Mal.

I'm unsubbing now. I hope Taff behaves himself.

Taff is behaving himself excellently, I'm completely with him.

I can't speak for everyone, but h2g2c2 is not about taking our friends and going to a new website, it's about taking h2g2 and moving it to a new server. And that means that if we do move then the entire community is moving - and that you can come too...