A Conversation for Homer's Odyssey

athena? evil?

Post 1

holl (Nil Illigitaemus Carborundum) *you dont fool the hool* berty and olly: the mad raving booty shakers (oooaaa oooaaa)

forgive me if im wrong, but, isnt athena HELPING odyseus? when has athena, goddess of war and wisdom, been an evil "capricious woman"?


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Post 2

anhaga

Holl:

I hesitate to get involved in this entry again, but I must agree with you. While Athena is,perhaps, capricious at times, I think it is an extreme stretch to suggest that she should ever be seen as evil. In fact, I don't really think that Calypso and Circe should be described as evil.

If you have a look at some of the threads attached to this entry, you'll see that I've already had some involvement with it concerning one very narrow difficulty. Perhaps you'd like to take the problem of Athena's "evil" with the editors at Editorial Feedback A388334 .


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Post 3

Tom-the-flip-side

I too would have to agree.

I never, in my study of the bok, felt of athena as 'evil'.

I don't want to stir things up but I'm not sure these were my words


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Post 4

anhaga

I just looked through your unedited version again Tom, and they most decidedly are not your words. You wrote quite the opposite of Athena. I'm sure I didn't do this evil Athena bit, either. Ismarah?


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Post 5

holl (Nil Illigitaemus Carborundum) *you dont fool the hool* berty and olly: the mad raving booty shakers (oooaaa oooaaa)

i would like to apologise

i just re-read your article, and i obviously made a mistake as to your saying athena was evil

it was merely "capricious" and the evil was directed towards the suitors

once again
i apologise


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Post 6

anhaga

Actually, Holl, the edited entry pretty clearly says that the various capricious women are forms of evil. It really should be corrected.


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Post 7

holl (Nil Illigitaemus Carborundum) *you dont fool the hool* berty and olly: the mad raving booty shakers (oooaaa oooaaa)

i suppose...i had forgotten how hard it is to get out of an argument with us h2g2 people...hehehe


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Post 8

ismarah - fuelled by M&Ms

Anhaga - you have to remember that this is subbed in BE, not AE. If I had put in a comma before the word 'and' in the sentence referred to, it should in BE be read as 'and, and'.

Sorry for being late to the discussion - moving overseas kind of does that to you...

I'll just go back to my more normal (of late) off line state...

cheerssmiley - disco ismarah


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Post 9

anhaga

hmm. I see now the intention of the sentence and I think I won't argue BE vs AE usage just now (In CE, there should be a commasmiley - smiley). I do, however, find the sentence to be confusing and unclear.smiley - erm It just seems that some sort of mid-Atlantic comma would clarify things.


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Post 10

anhaga

No no no! Hold on a minute. I've just been looking at the sentence again and never mind the commas:

'We also have evil, in the shape of the suitors and various capricious women, such as Circe, Calypso and Athena, over which 'good' is trying to conquer.'

What is good trying to conquer? Is good trying to conquer evil? evil in the shape of the suitors? What are the various capricious women doing? If good is not trying to conquer them (is 'over' really the preposition you want? do you really need a preposition?) then what are the women doing in the sentence? Are they just being capricious? If they are somethings that good is trying to conquer, then are they not logically evil? If so, then we get back to the original question of the thread: Athena? Evil?

Is the sentence really trying to say 'we also have evil, in the shape of the suitors. And we also have various capricious women, such as Circe, Calyupso and Athena.' and then a bit of a dangling logical fragment 'over which 'good' is trying to conquer.'?

I really think the sentence is having trouble. Unless part of the point is, in fact, the suggestion that Athena is evil. If so, then the sentence is simply inaccurate.

Help!


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Post 11

Tom-the-flip-side

Your right!

My GOD! It does sound like it is saying she is evil!!!

ALL HANDS ON DECK

Change it! Change it before the minds of countless people are damaged.








Or alternativly do it in your own time.


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Post 12

anhaga

smiley - laugh

smiley - smiley


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Post 13

ITIWBS

Taking a syncretic view, many of the tales of the contests between the Babylonian deities Tiamat and Marduk are substantially the same stories as those of the contests between Athena and Poseidon, which makes Tiamat and Marduk cognates of Athena and Poseidon. Similarly, the Hindu tale of the founding of the city of Calcutta is substantially the same story as that of the terminal contest between Tiamat and Marduk, in turn making Kali and Visnu cognates of Tiamat/Athena, Marduk/Poseidon.

...Joseph Campbell once wrote a book relating on the theme of the futility of tracing any classical myth to an ultimate source, which he titled "The Flight of the Wild Gander"...


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